DiCiccio’s Distortions

Sal DiCiccio is a masterful politician. In the time he has been in office, he has managed to convince many middle class workers and retirees that other middle class workers and retirees are the reason our city’s economy has tanked, our budget has been squeezed, and our groceries are now taxed.

It’s genius, really. When times are tough, instead of searching for the actual reason we ended up in a crisis, find a scapegoat and pin the tail on him. And who could have imagined that DiCiccio could successfully scapegoat the very individuals most residents used to trust and respect – our public safety workers.

DiCiccio has a history of distorting the truth, and since this is an election year, he’s working harder than ever to ensure that his “stories” are the prominent fables getting attention.

He recently posted on his Facebook page that Phoenix could hire more than 350 police officers if they hadn’t given out $52 million in pay raises. Wow! Who wouldn’t be outraged if this was true? Of course, it isn’t true, but Sal never lets the facts get in the way of sensationalism.

Phoenix did not hand out $52 million in pay raises and bonuses. Almost half of that money went to pay restoration, which is quite different from a pay raise.

Three years ago the unions agreed to a 3.2% pay cut as well as furlough days and hiring freezes. The unions made this historical bargain because they understood the city was in a financial bind and needed to cut wages in order to save officers’ jobs while still protecting the public safety needs of its citizens.

As part of the agreement, the city was asked to restore these wage cuts when financial stability (as measured by revenues) was back on track. Based on this year’s financial projections, the city is set to restore HALF of the pay cuts taken three years ago.

Sal DiCiccio would like the city to break its promise and violate the terms of its contract. Apparently, keeping one’s word means nothing to Mr. DiCiccio.

He would also like the voters to believe that our officers are not deserving of pay restoration — that they have not sacrificed or suffered as much as private employees have.

DiCiccio speaks about the private sector having lost more in wages and in retirement income through losses in 401(k)’s. I know I saw my retirement savings plummet during the Great Recession, though lately that same 401(k) is growing exponentially. Unlike officers, however, even if my 401(k) takes a hit, I still have the ability to draw Social Security when I retire. That’s my safety net.

Officers do not pay in to Social Security and therefore have no safety net should their pensions suddenly go away. Sal DiCiccio understands this but disregards it. He also disregards the fact that the state legislature recently enacted changes to public safety pensions that require officers to contribute more to their pensions and will keep upping those contributions for the next several years.

And when it comes to comparing private sector work to public sector work, let’s be realistic about what we’re comparing. I don’t spend my days with a gun strapped to my belt or 60 pounds of fire equipment on my body running into dangerous situations. There is a difference between what I do in the private sector and what public safety workers do in the public sector, and once upon a time, we used to respect that difference.

DiCiccio knows that our current economic crisis has hit the middle class especially hard. Police officers and firefighters are a part of that middle class, too. They are suffering just as you are. They have taken pay cuts, lost benefits, seen the values in their homes collapse, been asked to do more with less… just as you have.

But unlike all of our other middle class workers, they have also been set up by certain politicians as the subject of resentment and blame. Politicians like Sal DiCiccio who would like you to believe that they have not suffered but rather have benefited from your suffering.

DiCiccio wants you to believe that public safety workers take your hard-working tax dollars without giving in return. He’d like you to forget that these workers are also taxpayers. Forget that they are neither overpaid nor overstaffed in comparison to other cities of similar size. Forget that these workers serve us, and our city, exceptionally well. And forget that as they do their jobs, some end up paying with their lives.

The anger we feel toward our current financial situation is understandable. When our livelihoods are threatened, we want someone to pay. But don’t let the distortions of a crafty politician fool you into believing that “someone” is a group of middle class Arizonans. Don’t let Sal DiCiccio continue his war on the men and women who serve and protect our city.

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47 Responses to DiCiccio’s Distortions

  1. Marcus says:

    And the government unions are experts at making the general public believe that gov. unions are “middle class”. During the Great Recession Phoenix worker’s compensation climbed from $80,000 to over $100,000. How many people in the private sector can make that claim? Gov. union workers can retire in their early 50’s with million dollar pensions and health care for life. How many people in the private sector can make that claim? Government unions are not the one per centers, but they float high above the middle class. Oh, and your pay cut was not a pay cut. It was a reduction in a pay raise. Not the same thing.

    • Julie Erfle says:

      Marcus, you are incorrect about several things. First off, I know you’ve heard Sal claim that Phoenix workers make an average salary of $100,000/year. Like much of what Sal says, it was a purposeful distortion. He made that claim based on adding in all benefits paid for on behalf of employees – medical, dental, taxes, et al – on top of salary. As you may know, adding all of those benefits in to salary results in a much different figure than what’s considered one’s gross income. Also, it was not a reduction in pay raise. It was a pay cut. Base salaries were cut 3.2%. That is well documented. I don’t know any officers or firefighters retiring with million dollar pensions. It is true that some in TOP management positions within the city have retired with very large pensions. Sal has helped make that possible. As you will recall, he recently voted for a 33% pay raise for our city manager, which will result in a hefty retirement pension for him down the road.

      • PJD says:

        Nor do they receive free health care for life. This is yet another common and massive misconception. Health care in retirement for government employees is anything but free. In the case of public safety, health insurance premiums can run as high as $1800 monthly for a family. This makes a $50,0000 a year pension effectively a $30,000 a year pension on top of never getting social security. We are fortunate to have pensions but clearly we are not all “millionaires” as a result of them.

      • John DeLasaux says:

        Julie, please don’t pretend that you don’t know about the firefighters’ Drop Payment, and also how the public union members can jack up their pensions by working a lot of overtime in the year before they retire.
        The public union contracts were basically written by the unions and agreed to by the City Council with a gun at their head.
        And, keep in mind that the probability of death on duty of a firefighter is lower than that of a farm worker, according to insurance actuarial tables.
        There is a lot of fiction in your arguments, repeated over and over by people who are beholden to the public unions.

        • Beth Espinza says:

          Firefighter deaths in the line of duty are shown to be lower in SOME actuaries. Let us for the sake of argument call most private sector workers ‘farm workers’.

          1) farm workers’ suicide rates are lower. Police and firefighter suicides are second only to military. Recently in Phoenix, firefighter suicides have become an epidemic.
          2) farm workers aren’t exposed to diseases and vast smoke pollutants that will increase their chances of getting certain cancers over 5000 percent within their lifetimes.
          3) farm workers are much less unlikely to suffer PTSD from the scores of dead children on others that they’ve worked feverishly to unsuccessfully save. While these people were unsavable, don’t think for one second the firefighters and police officers don’t spend the rest of their lives playing the ‘What if I had done something differently?’ Game.

          So you see, while firefighters may not die on actual fires as often as they used to, they still die as a result of their job. The actuaries are skewed, and so is your logic.

      • Karen Haas says:

        Thank you for speaking the truth for all of us. My husband is retired Phoenix PD and for all of his years of service, for our families sacrifice, I feel kicked in the gut. We are not rich in retirement. My husband and I still work even with his retirement income. I am hopeful that these truths will be heard and that Sal will fail in his hateful attack upon our men and women who serve to protect. THANK YOU.

        • Ann Lutz says:

          Karen,
          It would be helpful if you, and others in your position, who have FACTS, would please write letters to the editors of the Arizona Republic and the Ahwatukee Foothills News. It’s hard for the public to know exactly what the truth is when they only hear the sound bites from our politicians or read them on the front pages of our newspapers. Please speak out. Thank you for your sacrifices.
          Ann Lutz

    • Bruce says:

      Wheat people are willing to believe stagers me some times. No police officers or firefighters are retiring with million dollar pensions. And they don’t get free health care either. My father is retired Phoenix Fire and pays almost $800 a month for health insurance. It’s sad to see what people are becoming. Thank you Julie for this.

    • Frank Piccioli says:

      Marcus. Just a brief reality check.. I am one of those big bad union bosses Sal Speaks about. I make 48 grand a year after 8 years of employment… A good salary but not a 100 grand a year. If i stay with the city another 15 years my pension will be 28 grand a year… Not a bad pension… If i invest wisely i can make it well. But clearly not a million dollars. No one has to join my union yet all get the benefits of Representation when it comes to the salary and benefits. I cannot in any way express my choice of city council members during the election.. Even putting a sign up in my yard favoring one candidate or another. My local can’t endorse either candidates during an election year…if i do i can lose my job. So much for unions bosses controlling city hall If you need to look at these figures or rules to see reality… I invite you to our union hall at afscme 2960 and will show you the paperwork. Dont just listen to empty rhetoric… Look into the facts. They may surprise you.

    • David says:

      Hey Marcus, unfortunately you are sadly misinformed about your “facts”. I am a senior public safety employer with 23 years on the job and I do make just under 90k a year. (About 50k a year when I retire). But to get that I have to sell my sick days every month, work some overtime in court and work holidays. We did not take a “reduction in pay raise” we all took a 3.2 percent PAY CUT and furlough days, WITHOUT pay. My insurance is not free, when I retire it will cost me between 1500-1800 dollars a month for family coverage. I don’t know what you do for a living Marcus, but I doubt you deal with the same stress and danger that I deal with daily. Check for yourself, stress kills. And too many people in my line of work do not live long healthy lives when they retire. Too many die within 5 years of retirement. Don’t be like so many other misinformed or underinformed people and just believe what some politician says to get your vote. Check the facts for yourself. If I have it so great, take the test, strap on a gun belt and run TO the shots fired with me, I’ll be glad to have you. None of us took the job to “get rich”. Thanks Julie

    • Wayne says:

      Wow, I’m a Phoenix Firefighter and my pay and benefits are now where near what you are talking about. You must be talking about some other city. Man I wish I could work there!

    • Chuck Wiilrich says:

      Marcus,

      How many times during your job are you shot at, spit on, hit, kicked, sued for doing your job, called a racist for doing your job, or have your risk your lie on a daily basis? How many times have you saved somebody’s life? How many times are you called a pig or berated for doing your job. How many times have you been on a witness stand and been belittled or second guessed by some smart-ass lawyer who wasn’t there and has months to analyze and pick apart a decision you had to make in a split second? How many times has your family life by affected by your job?

      How many times have you had to attend a friend and brother’s funeral who was killed in the line duty.

      How many times have you been called on the carpet by some civilian who didn’t like the way your were doing your job or the way you answered their questions.

      How many times have you had to listen to how bad you’re are doing your job because you couldn’t figure out who committed a crime, when there was no evidence to follow-up on.

      And, finally, how many times have you complained about not having a cop there when you needed one.

      Get a life, idiot!

    • John says:

      Marcu, What you stated publicly is untrue. Being a public servant for my entire career (38 years), you have no basis in saying what you said unless you have actual hard facts to support it. Many public servants find themselves working part-time just to pay their $1500.00 per month health insurance. Please be considerate to all those who serve the public, the least the public sector can do is offer some type of compensation at the time of retirement, especially to firefighters and the police who serve and protect all of us everyday. May God bless them for putting their lives on the line for all of us. John

    • Chris says:

      Really??? We did not take a pay cut? My check says different. Health insurance for life?? How about $1600 a month for health insurance. Get your facts straight before commenting.

  2. Richard Stone says:

    Thank-you Julie. It’s good to hear someone go to bat for public safety employees. I have grown weary of the blame game recently and it’s taken a toll on my morale and well-being. I am a former Phoenix Police Officer who worked out of Cactus Park Precinct for ten years and am currently employed by the Salt Lake City Police Department. When I graduated from Arizona State University in 1998 I had several options for employment. I very well could have taken a job in the private sector with a better salary but chose to work for Phoenix because I admired the men and women who worked there, had a naive understanding of what police do for a living, and wanted to serve my community. Obviously the idea of collecting a pension, benefits, and job security played into my decision to join the Department. I have over the course of 14 years seen many good friends hurt or even killed in the line of duty, I’ve seen and smelled things most people will never experience-you are familiar with what the job entails. We are not asking to be propped-up as heroes, we just want what was guaranteed to us by the city contract, to be treated fairly, and be compensated fairly. Over the years I have seen public support wane and wax strong in cycles. I am actually over-joyed to have found your article. It’s nice to have an articulate spokesperson in our camp. Thank-you very much.

  3. Fred Sotelo says:

    Thank you. Just……thank you….

  4. Paul says:

    Marcus,
    If I’m making over $100,000 then I must have some serious back pay coming because I haven’t seen figures like that in any of my paychecks! Yes it’s true that I can retire at 58 but why don’t you look up the stats on how long most firefighters live post retirement. Cancer gets a lot of us within 5 years. A lifetime of sleep deprivation gets a whole bunch more of us. I was a one of our retiree funerals a few days ago, six years ago he retired at 57. Please get your facts straight and don’t let politicians like Sal divide and conquer.

  5. Julie Love says:

    I don’t know any officers who retire with million dollar salaries either. While able to retire after 20 years of service, the majority of officers don’t. There is a 20 year mark because 20 years of working nights, chasing danger and the constant threat of PTSD (because frankly, we see things you cannot even imagine on a daily basis) is too much for most people. It is so sad that society no longer values those who serve. We honor stars and athletes who really are paid millions to provide us with entertainment and then slam those who actually do the work of keeping us safe and providing us freedom. Thank you to all of the police officers. You should have million dollar salaries.

  6. Lou Carlucci says:

    When I was a Captain on the job I made around 78K per year. Now retired after 29 years i have bronchitis hearing loss, been stabbed, burned and shot at. Oh and Marcus my pension is 49K per year along with $652.00 per month in health care costs. Stop listening and believing what Sal and his buddies at the Goldwater Inst are saying. Go to the source. Ask a firefighter or cop. Get the facts because the post you made about million dollar pensions and free health care is false and makes you look like an uninformed idiot.

  7. Marcus says:

    I have never seen or made a statement that the average SALARY was over $100,000, just that the average COMPENSATION, as I previously stated, was over $100,000. I believe that the average COMPENSATION of a Phoenix worker is now about $108,000 per year. As stated earlier, each year through the Great Depression the compensation of most government workers continued to climb, while those in the private sector struggled to keep a job, let alone get an increase. When the government unions get more, the hardworking taxpayer must dig deeper into their pockets – a tax on our food to give City workers pay raises – constant water rate increases (every year for 10 straight years), increased property taxes, etc. I am just looking for fairness and balance. You certainly won’t see that when you compare bloated government worker compensation packages to those of the private sector for comprable jobs.

    • Beth Espinza says:

      Marcus,
      I am one of those ‘overcompensated’ government workers that you are referring to.
      My mother, sister, daughter and my two best friends ALL receive much more in pay and benefits than I do.
      Us, the private sector is struggling, but you are a fool if you don’t believe that the public sector is also struggling.
      We are down almost 90 sworn firefighters, and 250 police officers in Phoenix alone., and yet we,ve managed to do more with less – just like the private sector.
      Many of our younger first responders are holding their breath that they will get to keep their jobs depending on how the up-coming budget turns out. Our jobs are secure to some degree, as most in the private sector do like having people show up at sir house when it’s on fire or being robbed, but not all of us are guaranteed anything.
      You haven’t said whether you’re a fan of Sal DiCiccio. Let me assure you one thing: he is a politician, and an ambitious one at that. Most people with common sense know that ambitious politicians are not to be trusted.

    • Chris says:

      Marcus:

      The food tax was not to give us raises but to avoid laying officers off. You have been misinformed about everything and I pity you. Try doing our job and we will see how long you last or what you think about your retirement. We do not have social security to rely on and we sure as hell do not get million dollar pensions.

  8. Joe says:

    Thank you so much for this article. As a steward of Local 2960 we represent 27 different departments within the City of Phoenix. We all love working for the City of Phoenix and trust me its not because we are getting wealthy off the tax payers dollar. Nor do we get that golden parachute when we retire unlike Mr. DiCiccio who currently makes $100,000.00 for a part time job. Part of that is a pension from the City of Phoenix when he first represented district 6. He will also draw more of a pension when his term (hopefully this year). Mr. DiCiccio is also the most well paid city councilman as well drawing a $64,000.00 salary and gets a car allowance. Thank you again Julie.

  9. Stacey says:

    Not only do we have a food tax now, the city council wants to take federal grant money to hire more officers according to Thelda Williams. This council is a JOKE! They have used first responders as pawns to make more money as they can’t figure out how to balance a budget.

  10. Aaron says:

    “Unlike officers, however, even if my 401(k) takes a hit, I still have the ability to draw Social Security when I retire. That’s my safety net.” This quote speaks volumes and truly exposes how ignorant the Author of this article is. As a Financial Specialist myself ANYTIME I hear someone make the statement that Social Security is their “safety net” , I know immediately that they are coming from the leftist mentality thinking that the Gov. will always be there for them.

    If my memory serves me correctly , I believe Phoenix rolled over and gave into some big concessions for the bus unions last year USING THE RESTORATION money. Now that’s reason to get upset.

    I also have some news for the Author of this article. I deal with business owners every day and the “great recession” is NOT over. AZ still has 7.5% unemployment and I personally know business owners who may be forced to close their doors once Obamacare is fully implemented.

    To say that Sal is pitting one middle class group against the other is simply disingenuous. Please remember this: one middle class group pays the taxes that pays the wages of the other middle class group, All Sal has done is reminded them that they have rights as taxes payers. This make them Gov. wage suppliers , and they can hold them accountable. And if asking for accountability is “pitting ” one group against the other……..So be it.

    To get right down to it Phoenix could really solve its cash flow problem to first responders if they managed their money like a business. If you don’t feel like your first responders are being paid adequately do you really think you should spend millions on an Art department??? That’s like having a burst waterline in your house but still having a carpet guy lay new carpet.

    Once again the incompetents of Gov, is what Sal is work hard to correct, and it is obvious that he is doing his job right because the Tax takers are not so happy with the tax payer. And as a Tax payer I contend that is proof Sal is doing what he was elected to do. Keep up the good work Sal.

    • Beth Espinza says:

      Last I looked, sal DiCiccio didn’t have any issues with the amount of money spent on art in the city of Phoenix .
      He does however go after firefighters and police officers with every chance he gets – essentially accusing all of us of being union members hell-bent on manipulating tax payers so that we can retire at age 40 with mansions and yachts.
      No one can disagree with him without being a ‘union thug’.
      If I were an informed tax payer, I would be interested in Sal DiCiccio’s dealings with the water department in the not so distant past, and I’d also be interested in how he used his position to lease 175 acres of Indian land to develop for his own personal interests.

  11. David says:

    When unions take a pay cut in a weak economy, it’s a “historical bargain” which requires full “restoration.” When it happens to a person in the private sector, well, Democrats say that’s just to damn bad. And yet it’s private sector workers who have no residual benefits nor pensions, and are suffering while the people who work for them – government employees – out earn them considerably, and are always restored. And the social security you refer to, at <2% interest, is hardly comparable to any union pension. Restoring pay cuts, pensions, and full benefits on the backs of the poor and elderly via taxes on groceries is morally indefensible.

    DiCiccio fights for the little guy who struggles; Democrats fight for union bosses.

    • PJD says:

      David, just because the private sector chooses to exploit the current economy and screw its employees every chance they get while executives fly in private jets does not mean the public sector has to do it as well. A recent study performed in Phoenix cost the taxpayers in excess of $300k just to find that for the most part, private sector workers were paid more than pubic sector counterparts. This completely busts the tired old line that zealots love to push about government employees earning more.

      Additionally not one municipal unit in phoenix has had a raise in 4 plus years and there are far less employees due to the hiring freeze. Due to this I am not sure how you can blame the food tax on city employees pay, a tax that the poor and elderly dont pay anyway.

    • Beth Espinza says:

      DiCiccio fights for the little guy?! That’s hysterical. I’m literally laughing at that.
      DiCiccio was assisted into his present position by theses ‘union thugs’. You need to do a little research.
      I guess under your own logic, that makes DiCiccio a liberal union-loving democrat.
      DiCiccio has proven himself to be nothing more than a pretentious liar who will tell anyone anything to get what he wants.
      Wy do you think that DiCiccio now wants ‘unions’ to be accountable? These are the same people who got him into office. At a firefighter fundraiser, when asked what job he wanted ‘when he grew up’, he wrote ‘firefighter’. Of course, that was when he was courting fire and police unions to get into office.
      Now that it’s popular to bash unions, he’s hopping on at bandwagon. When something else becomes popular, he’ll hop on that bandwagon. Anyone with a brain can see that he is using an age-old tactic of politicians: tell the people what they want to hear.

  12. Steve says:

    Julie thank you for the support and setting the record straight with correct information. Not like Sal stating false facts about our pension. You for sure know. He has nothing more than his political agenda. He has people his supporters that believe in him. Thank u again.

  13. AME says:

    Julie – I’ve just discovered your blog and I’m thrilled to read such a level – just the facts presentation of the issues. I will be checking in on your blog more often!

  14. Bill Edgin says:

    Thank you Julie for a very revealing look at the truth about Sal Diciccio. I appreciate your articles revealing facts and figures. It helps me understand the true nature of Sal Diciccio. He really appears to have gone the way of “say or do anything to get really good people mad at other really good people”, just to promote himself. Thank you for bringing it to this readers’ eyes. Hopefully it will catch the attention of many other readers and voters.

  15. alfredo gutierrez says:

    Great article. DeCicio has slithered through various iterations in his time in office. This latest one, playing a fiscal sleuth ferreting out the truth, is as false as any other. He is a liar…and not too masterful, either

  16. Eunice Scott says:

    Thank you Julie Erfle for your excellent article, thank you and your husband for his public service and ultimate sacrifice, and your continuing support of the brave officers of the Phoenix Police Department. I’m a retired Phx Police Dispatcher and know 1st hand the bravery and service to the public, our officers provide each and every day. Never knowing if they will return to their loved ones from one day to the next. I could not say it any better, what Sal DiCiccio does to distort the truth should be criminal. Thank you again for writing this article.

  17. Clint Bolick says:

    Julie, City finances have gotten horribly out-of-balance. The vast majority of City employees are not police or firefighters. They have far greater job security than the private sector. Police and firefighters are rewarded with very generous early retirement. Sal’s point is that city employees should have to share the pain that private-sector employees have experienced—and that a regressive food tax, which burdens those who can least afford it, should be a last resort. The greatest imbalance between public and private-sector employees is pension benefits. Companies that had lavish defined-benefit pensions have pretty much all gone bankrupt or out of business. Yet we continue them in the public sector. As CA cities have shown, it is unsustainable. It is made even worse by illegal actions taken by some to spike benefits. Sal’s critiques in that regard are well-documented by the AZ Republic. If PHX was a private company, it would go bankrupt. Instead, taxpayers have to pick up the tab. At tremendous personal cost—because the interests arrayed against him are not friendly people—Sal has sounded a long-overdue alarm bell. In stark contrast to our mayor who is a tool for special interests, Sal has enormous courage.

    • Julie Erfle says:

      I do not think Sal has courage. When he calls pay restoration a pay cut or says the average employee is making $100,000/year or demonizes union workers… that’s not courage, that’s politics. He purposefully distorts the facts, confusing voters and creating a hostile attitude toward public safety. Again, I don’t call that courage; I call that dirty politics.

  18. Mike Slater says:

    The trouble with public unions is the fact that they negotiate with the very politicians that their giving campaign contributions to.

    • PJD says:

      And a developer who helped get a politician elected and negotiates with he or she on a profitable project is different how?

  19. marty Skagen says:

    Julie, I would add one thing. With all benefits included the average salary is about $60,000ayear. The 100,000
    Happens when you add in the cost of the employees computer, furniture, bldg expenses . We did take a cut
    in pay. I don’t know what else you call 6 furlough days a year. As a single retiree, my health care premium is almost 600 per month. A married couple pays in excess of 1,500 per month.

  20. Wesley W. Harris says:

    Well you all have been beating up on Marcus for his very accurate comments claiming that he is wrong. Well those that have pointed the false finger at him need to examine the data. First of all, the 3.2% pay cut was not a pay cut at all, at least the majority of it was not a cut as the pay grade was not reduced by 3.2% so the base remained the same. If the base remained the same, then there is no reduction. Second, of the so called pay cut, 2.2% was unpaid furlough which is akin to unpaid vacation. Of course not counted is the overtime that had to be paid to replace (especially in the ‘public safety’ area) those firefighters and policemen on furlough. So the real reduction was only 1%. I am sure that those in the private sector who lost their jobs during this period would have jumped at the chance to take such a ‘pay cut’ to maintain their job.

    Now let’s look at the $100,000 claim. Yes it does include fringe benefits and it also includes overtime. Public Safety employees are all ‘exempt’ meaning they get paid for overtime. An interesting concept when you consider at least one segment gets paid while they sleep…Firefighters. No other first responder in this country either in the public or private sector gets paid to sleep and the sleep time counts toward total hours worked when overtime is paid. The fact is that public safety employees have a great compensation program that exceeds that of people with equal education and training receive in the private sector. To make my point I just went to the city’s web site and downloaded the following police salary scales. Many at the top end of the range are close to our exceed that magic $100k figure. I rest my case and Marcus’ as well.

    62210 Police Officer Nonexempt 428 $46,238 $72,426 004
    62211 Police Officer*Pilot Nonexempt 429 $75,150 $75,150 004
    62212 Police Officer*Rescue Pilot Nonexempt 430 $77,958 $77,958 004
    62213 Police Officer*Flight Instr Nonexempt 431 $80,870 $80,870 004
    62214 Police Officer*Chief Pilot Nonexempt 432 $83,845 $83,845 004
    62220 Police Sergeant Nonexempt 634 $72,238 $99, 216 006
    62230 Police Lieutenant Nonexempt 638 $86,445 $119,059 006
    62231 Police Lieutenant*Law Exempt 641 $100,339 $137,842 006
    62240 Police Commander Exempt 862 $85,498 $147,383 009
    62242 Police Commander*Asst Chief Exempt 960 $98,424 $169,874 010
    62243 Police Commander*Exec Asst Chf Exempt 962 $107,636 $184,369 010
    62250 Police Public Relations Rep Exempt 033 $49,338 $73,653 007
    62320 Forensic Photo Spec Nonexempt 327 $37,066 $54,226 003
    62321 Forensic Photo Spec*Ld Nonexempt 328 $38,771 $56,909 003
    62340 Police Administrator Exempt 842 $76,211 $120,078 009
    62350 Police R & I Bureau Shift Supv Nonexempt 031 $44,678 $66,518 007
    62370 Police R & I Operations Supv Exempt 035 $54,392 $81,245 007
    62380 Polygraph Examiner Exempt 037 $60,174 $89,856 007
    62381 Polygraph Examiner*Lead Exempt 038 $63,315 $94,328 007
    62450 Crime Lab Administrator Exempt 842 $76,211 $120,078 009
    62460 Asst Crime Lab Administrator Exempt 041 $73,653 $109,658 007
    62550 Criminal Intelligence Analyst Exempt 033 $49,338 $73,653 007
    62610 Police Research Analyst Exempt 033 $49,338 $73,653 007
    62620 Police Research Supervisor Exempt 037 $60,174 $89,856 007
    62660 Police Public Information Adm Exempt 841 $72,530 $114,317 009
    62690 Police Chief (NC) Exempt 966 $131,225 $206,569 010
    62800 Crime Scene Specialist I Nonexempt 326 $35,547 $51,605 003
    62810 Crime Scene Specialist II Nonexempt 328 $38,771 $56,909 003
    62820 Crime Scene Specialist III Nonexempt 330 $42,682 $62,712 003
    62830 Crime Scene Shift Supervisor Exempt 035 $54,392 $81,245 007
    62840 Crime Scene Section Supervisor Exempt 039 $66,518 $99,195 007
    62900 Police Alarm Coordinator Exempt 033 $49,338 $73,653 007
    62910 Forensic Scientist I (NC) Nonexempt 330 $42,682 $62,712 003
    62920 Forensic Scientist II Nonexempt 032 $46,758 $69,950 007
    62930 Forensic Scientist III Nonexempt 035 $54,392 $81,245 007
    62940 Forensic Scientist IV Exempt 039 $66,518 $99,195 007
    62950 Forensic Science Section Supv Exempt 040 $69,950 $104,416

    • Julie Erfle says:

      Wesley Harris, I’m not surprised you would use fuzzy math to try and make a point. Not that long ago, you made another comment on this blog, saying firefighters should be volunteers, that they had “cushy” jobs. You seem to have a great deal of anger toward first responders. Thankfully, I believe the vast majority of Phoenix citizens do not hold their public safety workers in contempt and respect the jobs they do.

      As for the salaries you listed… let’s take one as an example. Police rescue pilots are paid just under $78K a year. Do you really think the average, private sector pilot is paid less than that?

  21. Aaron, My mother in law (who couldn’t afford a financial advisor) was a die hard Republican who wasn’t an ignorant leftist thinker. She often referred to Social Security as her safety net, as that was all she had to live on. She would not have lived as long and comfortably as she did without the monthly help of a greedy gun toting union member son in law.
    You Councilman DiCiccio supporters need to get your talking points straight. I’m sure Julie is not the person who is disingenuous in her comments.. Your statement about “the middle class paying the wages of the {other} middle class” seems inaccurate, divisive and incomplete. Just ask David ,who states the food tax restores the union benefits” is done on the backs of the poor and elderly.” Perhaps you could get more hard facts from Clint who calls our hard working Mayor Stanton “a tool for special interests.” Clint, I challenge you to spend a day with the Mayor in order to find out what a hard working man for” all of the people” he really is. Don’t be a hater and a name caller, STEP UP!
    As far as I know union workers pay taxes and also have rights as taxpayers as well.
    Mr. Lasaux, your statements are flat out wrong. Please try and put some effort into contacting City Payroll, PLEA, the Mayors office, or Local 493 before writing any more fictional “facts”.
    Thanks for the stats! Perhaps next time my home is burning or I’m in danger I will call a farm worker to help, because all the public sector folks you despise are busy holding their City Council members at gunpoint somewhere.
    Marcus, you didn’t mention all the wonderful well meaning FINANCIAL PRIVATE SECTER FOLKS who got rich on the backs of everyone and fleeced billions upon billions of dollars from everyone, and ALSO CRASHED THE ECONOMY. (Everyone would include tax paying union members) to you name callers who forgot that by now. You must have forgotten about all of their bloated financial golden parachute’s that were covered in network news broadcasts for months. You are right, they don’t compare to local government worker compensation packages.
    Would any of you Councilman DiCiccio supporters have him publish a list that would expose all of the” free health care taking million dollar City of Phoenix union member retirees.”
    Did Councilman DiCiccio ever take money from unions (taxpayers) for election purposes?
    Did he ever benefit from unions (taxpayers) gathering signatures, pounding signs, or walking door to door?
    Did he ever sign off on union contracts, the same contracts he complains about now?
    Does he advocate violating the law by not honoring contract agreements he was privy to?

    Everyone is allowed an opinion about everything, even union members. You don’t have to write rude, disrespectful, name calling and blaming remarks in order to exercise you right your right.
    Quit pointing at the public servants and crying foul! We chose our jobs, and they are dangerous. On your worst day we will be there. When you need us, we quickly and willingly respond despite the danger.
    So instead of all the negativity, do something really positive and courageous with your mouth and money.
    GO AFTER THE REAL FINANCIAL PEOPLE BEHIND THE RECESSION AND HOLD THEM ACCOUTABLE.

    Julies is the courageous one here, her family paid the ultimate sacrifice! Be respectful and quit trying to bully her with your words.

    • John says:

      Hi Richard,
      Thanks so much for a very well thoughtout and articulated comment. You are indeed 100% correct and thanks for your courage. No one could have said what you said any better. John

  22. Mike says:

    Thanks Julie,
    I find it utterly amazing that people like to compare public safety workers with non-government middle class workers. I myself am a public safety worker and small business owner with employees. And yes for some small businesses there is a recession. When you add the benefits of any employee to their salary even the poor can become middle class. Sal is a politician who only serve his own needs as his supporters have forgotten that he has long term leases on the reservation land near each possible freeway corridor. Truly I’m tired of people comparing government public safety employees to the private sector. As I recall the private sector police force used by our federal governement pay their employees almost three times the amount. What is amazing about the whole thing is that some are ignorant to the fact that the Have’s are brain washing the Have Not’s with their rhetoric. Unfortunately for me I am force to take a medical retirement for trying do my job of taking down the bad guy who felt he did not want to go to jail. Yes as an employer paying employee benefits is tough when you are trying to keep the doors opened. Before I blame the lower level government employee I must first look at the politician that allowed the Have’s to manipulate the system to use me the small business owner to justify why they not I, need all the tax incentives to take their business overseas.
    People in the private sector need to look up before they start to place blame. If anyone has read J.P Getty’s book then you would not blame the lower level workers.

  23. Lowman says:

    Julie first of all THANK YOU for your HUSBAND and ther Service he provided for our community! My husband has worked for the City of Phoenix as a Detecitve for 33 1/2 years and retired, he is a career reserve officer working on his 6th year. He gets no extra pay, donates his time and feels good about giving back to the city for giving his family a great career. The respect that our family has for police and fire is everlasting.
    Retired peoples work never ends. They are known by their neighbors, restaurants and stores. The reserve people are still willing to provide assistance to all. They have established trust by so many people. When we get a person like Sal DiCiccio who wants the public to have harsh feelings against all retired due to deserved incomes it is absolutely ridiculous. Maybe be top rank police personnal make a $100,000 a year (don’t know we haven’t heard of any) but a majority of regular police officer make around $50,000 a year. Then you hear that Sal states ins is free…” I DON’T KNOW FOR WHO”. We pay approx $9000.00 a year for two people.
    At this point Sal is definitely digging to be heard, his allegations will be proven false. If we all stick together and fight this individual we will certainly be victorious.

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